Lost: Black/ Tan/White Legs Border Collie Male In East Anglia (IP20)

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2017-03-04 12:52 Skywalker99

Is CJ able to help get a CRN for this?

2017-03-04 12:15 Pete Smith

Hi Mary...wish was that simple...
Loki may not have been able to get a clear scent initially because of cross contamination from my other dogs,...
I think I have made up my mind how to go ahead.
I will not drop this....
People can't just go and dispose of other people's dogs...he was an important asset and had value as a breeding dog with pedigree...
Uhm nuff said.

Last edited: 2017-03-04 12:16:34 by Pete Smith

2017-03-03 17:23 Mary

Pete, Sam and Loki have disproved the farmer's version of events, I hope you have made the police aware of that?
I'm just so sorry Shuck isn't back home, where he belongs.

2017-03-03 11:09 Pete Smith

I think you have a very valid point there and it makes me wonder why the officers did not find it useful or possible to crime the case...I can only guess...
And will leave it at that...
The finder phoned the man, a farmer that has land adjacent to me and her...in good faith in order to see if he didn't know who the dog belonged to...she then helped him put the animal in the back of his truck...without the man volunteering who's dog it was...he also only came up with a rather unsatisfactory explanation when we found out and approached him.
Yes I feel the police failed me but it Is not advisable to say anymore...
The story has made its rounds...the reward did not stir anything...
I have a fairly good idea what happened and am considering my options.
I am very grateful for everyones input and encouragement , which has helped me a lot.

Last edited: 2017-03-03 11:13:07 by Pete Smith

2017-03-02 21:55 BorderCol

The bit I don't understand is this: whatever the mans stated intentions " returning dog to owner"), he surely had no right to take the dog from the finder when it was not his dog and the owner had not authorised him to get involved? If this had been a bag of money and the man had collected from the finder " to return to owner" and then "lost it" en route, would no crime have been committed?
Also, how did he know that the finder had Shuck?
At least worth plastering the area with posters and over the local FaceBook pages as local people will recognise Shuck and perhaps he will "reappear"?

2017-03-02 21:54 BorderCol

The bit I don't understand is this: whatever the mans stated intentions " returning dog to owner"), he surely had no right to take the dog from the finder when it was not his dog and the owner had not authorised him to get involved? If this had been a bag of money and the man had collected from the finder " to return to owner" and then "lost it" en route, would no crime have been committed?
Also, how did he know that the finder had Shuck?
At least worth plastering the area with posters and over the local FaceBook pages as local people will recognise Shuck and perhaps he will "reappear"?

2017-03-01 17:24 Juls

Such a sad story , have posted below before , really feel for this owner must not give up to find shuck, would put a complaint to the police again , and maybe do local paper so locals are aware of shuck missing and story, then poster the whole village to get people talking and see if get a reaction x x best wishes

2017-03-01 16:57 Pete Smith

We know he took him...from the finder, who I have spoken to... to take back to me...he never did...when confronted he came up with a story that satisfied the police but not me... and they wouldn't crime it.
So pro forma it is a lost dog...but I all indications are the reality is grimmer.
......I should be overjoyed to eat my hat if that dog turns up again.

2017-03-01 14:46 Skywalker99

Nedk - lost and owner suspects taken and shot by a neighbour after being found.

2017-03-01 14:39 nedk

Is.this dog lost or dead bit confused x

2017-03-01 12:09 Skywalker99

How could anyone apparently execute a dog in cold blood? Horrible.

2017-03-01 11:52 DogLostHelen - Regional Co-ordinator - Norfolk, Suffolk and Cambridge

Thank you Geoff, hopefully this will bring some news.

2017-03-01 10:51 DogLostGeoffA - Area Volunteer - Cornwall, Scotland & Northumberland

Bumping page as due to be featured in DogLost column in Countryman's Weekly 1st March.

2017-03-01 08:27 Pete Smith

It is a rare case...normally a dog in these circumstances just disappears...but here we know that the neighbour collected the dog...he was the last one to have possession and his explanation of what happened is highly unsatisfactory. Hence I am at liberty to spread the word of what we know. Btw I still don't know he shot him...but it is safe to assume, having known this guy for over thirty years.

2017-03-01 08:22 Pete Smith

I know the answer...I know that the way things are, I won't get satisfaction through the official channels...I am still looking...inspected a corpse of a dog found in a brook yesterday. It was a fox.
If it had been a dog with a chip and a billet hole that would have been a result because it would force the police to crime it...
They could have gone that way , but they decided to cuff it.
I will look for opportunities to be unneighbourly and let Karma take its course.
In the end what must it be like to be such a negative person ...to be able to shoot a frightened dog.
He is not a well man.

2017-02-28 22:23 Doglover

I feel for you. Is it worth making a complaint to Suffolk police to try and get them to crime. All seems very odd. Another officer might be more interested and worth a try to make sure original decision was right and not based on other factors.You can do online. If what you think has happened, has, hope the individual concerned rots in hell. Also try getting local press involved, tell the story and make life difficult for them. At least everybody will then know and you may get to the truth. If shuck was local to area and knew it, am sure he would make his way home if he escaped, none of it makes sense. Hope you get some answers

2017-02-12 17:48 DogLostNina

Posters in schools would be good...kids don't miss anything!

2017-02-12 17:37 Pete Smith

Followed up possibility of the dog having been passed on...
Keeping spreading word...
Interesting what you hear when you dig.
Nasty twisted local man... frustrating the police is so gullible...or lazy.

2017-02-11 19:28 Mary

Any news?

2017-02-04 22:51 DogLostHelen - Regional Co-ordinator - Norfolk, Suffolk and Cambridge

Sam and Loki have been out tracking and no scent was found between the finders house and the farmer's drive. This covers the areas that Shuck would have been in if he had escaped from the farmers vehicle, if the dog did escape then Loki would have picked the scent up

2017-01-28 19:19 Skywalker99

I am not surprised the woman who found him is upset. If as you suspect he has taken the dog to dispose of it he must be a very cold and unemotional individual, you need to have the stomach to basically 'execute' it.

2017-01-28 17:38 Juls

Nightmare story , I really hope you find him bless him , such a lovely dog sorry police and farmer not being much help but do keep trying to get him home for you and shuck take care x x

2017-01-28 15:06 Mary

Pete if you ring DogLost, to see what they suggest, as they do not monitor all comments.

2017-01-28 14:29 Pete Smith

Skywalker.
He may have no right but in the real world there are nice people that want to help...
The lady who found the dog in the first place is terribly upset...I have also suggested to the Waveney Council dog people that perhaps protocol needs to be tightened up to avoid scenarios like this...she said working in her capacity for 15 years she has not come across anything like this before!

2017-01-28 14:21 Pete Smith

The police has been going with his story...he intended to return the dog to me... it ran away
According to them he did not intend not deprive me of the dog indefinitely...the definition of theft...to permanently deprive..
No crime number as they do not accept a crime was committed no body with gunshot marks etc.. the dog ran away..
Following up other possibilities...he may have passed it on.. or keeps it locked up until shooting season is over...next week. Last weekend right now.
Notified eastAnglian Sheepdog Society.

Last edited: 2017-01-28 14:25:49 by Pete Smith

2017-01-28 12:32 Jane

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2017-01-28 11:30 Skywalker99

I'd agree, the farmer had no right to take him in the first place whether he said he was going to return him or not. He had been reported to the dog warden and the right procedures were being followed for a stray dog. I would phone Doglost as they can often help with the police when they are being 'difficult'. If the man insists he lost him then he should have no issue with helping to search for him, or paying for posters/adverts in newspapers and organisations like The pet detectives etc. behaviours can point to guilt as much as anything else. I guess Shuck knows the area and would have come home? Also contact www.lostdogtracker.com.

Last edited: 2017-01-28 11:35:18 by Skywalker99

2017-01-28 11:14 DogLostSandra Watt

Pete you should go back to police and ask for crime reference number as your dog us not missing ..shucks was stolen by the farmer ..he wax taken without your permission..please send the CRN to admin@doglost.co.uk and they will pass to their police coordinator and the status can be changed to stolen not lost

2017-01-28 10:15 Mary

Pete you need to make the details under other info shorter so that posters can be printed and put up in the local area. If you have a mobile put mobile number as an alternative phone number. Make sure microchip details are up to date and shown as missing.

2017-01-28 09:32 Pete Smith

As to why...the man runs a shoot and considers all dogs not under permanent close control a problem dog..
My dog did take himself for walks...never did any damage, being a working dog. The man took the opportunity to take control of the dog under false pretenses and destroy him...it is a mentality that exists in the country side especially among game keepers.
Just annoying that there is not much one can do...
Bottom line ..I am gutted.

2017-01-28 09:28 Pete Smith

Theft is the intention of permanently depriving of use.
The man said he would take it around to mine...and it escaped...
Hence no intent.
Police were involved but have advised as allegedly the dog escaped he is still a missing dog..
Without a body there is no evidence a crime has been committed.

2017-01-28 05:02 Skywalker99

With or without a body this needs reporting to the police as the man who picked him up from the lady was not the owner and therefore stole him.

2017-01-28 02:53 Mel

Why would anyone want to destroy such a beautiful dog? I don't understand. I pray he is ok x

2017-01-28 02:25 Pete Smith

I am the owner...
I am getting resigned to the fact that the man targeted my Shuck (because he did take himself off for walks) as a "problem dog" and took the opportunity to gain possession and destroy him.

2017-01-27 20:04 JANI

shared to groups x

2017-01-27 19:52 Coco

Shared x Hope Shuck is ok...story sounds dodgy.

2017-01-27 19:52 DogLostMillypod (Chris) - Administrative Volunteer

Sharing Twitter.

2017-01-27 12:14 Sue - onestopalldogs

Shared Facebook & Twitter

2017-01-27 11:47 DogLostHelen - Regional Co-ordinator - Norfolk, Suffolk and Cambridge

Shuck was originally called in as a stray to the Dog Warden, but when the Dog Warden contacted the finder back he had been given to a man, claiming he was going to return the dog to his owner. He never did. There is a £1000 reward for the return of Shuck.

2017-01-27 11:44 DogLostHelen - Regional Co-ordinator - Norfolk, Suffolk and Cambridge

Details added to Dog Lost Norfolk and Suffolk facebook group and other groups in the area.

2017-01-27 11:08 DogLostSharon - Social Media Volunteer

I have shared with DL FB Page, Twitter & Public. I hope Shuck is safely back at home soon. X

2017-01-27 11:01 DogLostJayne - Founder Doglost.

Alerts sent to helpers in IP19,20,21.

2017-01-27 10:47 Admin

Sorry to see that SHUCK is missing.

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